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By Shifted
#38616
I need some all weather tires for my 928. After doing a lot of research and comparisons, I've settled on the Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06. I know that there are many other tires out there, but this has the the sizes that I want and has very good reviews for wet and snow traction. Which is what I want for my "winter" tires. I don't want full snow tires, just something that I can drive in freezing temperatures that leans toward inclement weather performance instead of dry performance.

Here is the tire line that I'm considering: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.js ... act+DWS+06

And here is a review of it side by side with some other tires: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/te ... p?ttid=194

Does anyone have experience with the ExtremeContact tires, good or bad? Especially in cold weather?
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By amdavid
#38646
I've run several sets on 3 series bmw's and they're a great all weather tire. I just got tires on my piggy and the guys at the tire shop were talking about the DWS....still a great tire, tried an true. They have been around a while and surprisingly are still very popular. I can't comment on their performance in "extreme" cold weather though.
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By maddog2020
#38666
Had 4 sidewall failures on 3 different cars with them. Tire rack warranty guy told me they replaced significantly more continental tires under warranty than any other brand. He also told me that continental had thinner sidewalls than most other brands. I’l post a pic of one of my blowouts if I can find it. Current daily driver came with the Dow’s tires and1st thing I did was have them replaced.
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By Shifted
#38668
The original DWS had a softer sidewall, which undoubtedly helped with ride quality. However, the 06 version has much stiffer and stronger sidewalls than the version that people complained about. Including the addition of a 2 ply sidewall insert.
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By Shifted
#39177
I ordered a set. They have a $70 rebate for December if you order four of certain models of Continental tires.

Kind of a shame to remove the Advan AD08R's with such good tread life left in them, but i can probably sell them locally.
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By FlatSix
#39195
Shifted wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:27 pm The original DWS had a softer sidewall, which undoubtedly helped with ride quality. However, the 06 version has much stiffer and stronger sidewalls than the version that people complained about. Including the addition of a 2 ply sidewall insert.
I've run two sets of the 06s on my E55 with very satisfactory performance and no trouble.
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By Shifted
#39212
That doesn't look like a DWS 06. What model was it?

Having done a lot of tire mounting and dismounting on my own machines, I can't imagine what they did "right" that would cause a sidewall rupture to happen when it didn't rupture on the car. The only two things that I can see causing that are they either didn't deflate the tire before unseating the bead with the pneumatic bead breaker and there was a LOT of pressure in the tire, or they put the lip of the bead breaker scoop in the middle of the sidewall instead of right up against the bead. I haven't done anywhere near the number of tires that a tire shop does, but certainly north of 100 on various sizes from tiny to huge. And that cut has a suspiciously slightly curved shape to it that would match up very nicely with the curved edge of the dish on a pneumatic bead breaker.
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By amdavid
#39250
Yeah, not a dws....was pointing out the thin side wall of the Continental tire. I felt the sidewall to tread seam and it did feel thin. Thanks for the info....arg, I hate getting burned, and based on what you just explained, which makes a bunch of sense I did.

Shifted wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:15 pm That doesn't look like a DWS 06. What model was it?

Having done a lot of tire mounting and dismounting on my own machines, I can't imagine what they did "right" that would cause a sidewall rupture to happen when it didn't rupture on the car. The only two things that I can see causing that are they either didn't deflate the tire before unseating the bead with the pneumatic bead breaker and there was a LOT of pressure in the tire, or they put the lip of the bead breaker scoop in the middle of the sidewall instead of right up against the bead. I haven't done anywhere near the number of tires that a tire shop does, but certainly north of 100 on various sizes from tiny to huge. And that cut has a suspiciously slightly curved shape to it that would match up very nicely with the curved edge of the dish on a pneumatic bead breaker.
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By Shifted
#39262
Yeah, without having all of the facts, that's what it looks like to me. Sorry :( I worked as a salesman in a Montgomery Ward auto center in college, and tires made up the largest number of sales by far. Let me tell you, I've seen some shenanigans that opened my eyes to what they do with tires when they think no one's watching. A real testament to the durability of most tires, for sure!

It's interesting that Continentals have a reputation for thin sidewalls. I don't think that I've ever owned them before, but at least with the DWS 06 they seem to have acknowledged a problem and addressed it.

Eventually, I'll host another get together at my place. Maybe doing a dismount/mount/balance demonstration would be interesting to some people. Something for the list.
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By captainOCD
#39930
I'm curious to hear how the dws06s do. I had 3 different sets on my charger a few years ago and they had vibrations. It was an odd size though, (255/50r19) so they were likely all from the same batch.
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By Shifted
#41749
I just mounted and balanced them today. Three of them took around 1.5 ounces to balance. One of the tires needed about 3.5 ounces. That includes side to side balancing, so a dynamic balance would use less. All of the tires had very minor high spots and a couple had very minor side to side movement when spinning.

Other than the one tire that needed a more weight than average, the tires mounted just fine. Nothing unusual there.

There are a few more things I want to do on the car while it's on the lift, so I won't have a chance to take the tires out on the road for a several days. Snow is expected this week, so I'll have to wait until that dries up, especially the road treatment.
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By maddog2020
#48619
it was actually a blow out at triple digits. The warranty person at tire rack confirmed that this is what happens at speed when the conti's blow out. I had a tire pressure monitoring system, and manually checked my tire pressure often on fill ups for fuel along with checking oil.
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By Shifted
#48624
There is no way to tell from that photo what the initial cause of the pressure loss was. All that can be determined from the photo is that you drove on the tire when it had little or no pressure in it.

It is entirely possible that you had a sidewall failure, and then the sidewall was destroyed from driving on it flat. But it's not the only possibility. And if it was a sidewall failure, there is no way to determine from that photo the nature of the failure. It could have been a manufacturing defect, or it could be damage from driving or installation. There is no way to tell from that photo.
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By maddog2020
#48875
amdavid wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:51 pm Holy chit man, would not liked that sound/feeling driving triple digits.....looks gnarly.
It was a code brown moment for sure. Right rear tire. Seeing the truck that was behind me through the side glass, and then taking up both lanes of a 2 lane highway to get it straight again and stopped on the shoulder. The guy behind me stopped to see if I was ok.. He told me he saw me through my windshield working the wheel. It was in a 2000 SL500. I've been driving since 1983, and only had 3 blow outs. All 3 of them were Conti's. The 4th Conti issue I had was a bubble on the sidewall. never again will I own conti tires. The set of tires on the SL were less than 2 years old and had less than 3K miles on them.
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By Scott at Team Harco
#48897
My 996 came with DWS 06 tires. I still have them. The car is on Pirelli winter tires right now. The Contis are ok but, as has been discussed, the sidewall seems weak.

The shot is from the summer of 2019. I hit a pothole about half a mile from home. While I was messing around in the garage, I noticed a problem...

The sidewall was cut by the wheel as a result of the pothole impact.

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See the little gash?

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By jcnesq
#48969
I am running Conti "Extreme Contact Sports" for the past couple years. Needed them in a hurry and went to a local exotic car place (mainly a wheel place), they highly recommended them. I only checked Tire Rack reviews later and they were excellent, and I am very happy with them so far (though I haven't done any extreme driving). Previously Conti had a bad name in the back of my head and I usually ran Michelins.
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By Crumpler
#49372
First of all, I am glad you are still with us.

This was several years ago when I had used Conti Extreme Contact new set for a DE weekend, but by day two they were essentially gone.
I was not setting track records by any stretch of the imagination so that makes me wonder. Not a side wall issue but in comparison I’ve used Pirelli’s for multiple weekends at more aggressive sessions.
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By Shifted
#49379
I just got back from a test drive with the new tires. It's in the upper 20's so I didn't do any aggressive driving, just normal back roads cruising. They ride very nicely and had a crisp enough response for my purposes. These tires are solely to enable me to drive the car in ambient temperatures below 50 degrees. I don't need them to perform, just hold air and have good dry/wet traction.

If they have any problems, I'll be sure to report back.

From the comments on here, there seems to be a split between "they're fine" to "they aren't good". But no "they are GREAT" responses. Which fits them perfectly into my purposes of keeping the car on the road in the cold weather, but no serious performance driving with them.

I will say this...I see now why people claim that their motors spin their tires easily. Because they're running regular tires like these Continentals. My car spins them at will if I give it enough gas. You guys may want to try some R compound tires, I think that you would be shocked at how much stickier they are. Even if you have to drop 20 or 30 mm in width, they will still outperform wider regular tires.
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